Podle předsevzetí https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=236#p236 zakládám nové vlákno se "správným" názvem, ke kterému je připojena anglická, široce používaná zkratka odvozená od 'European Council'.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/cs/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/cs/european-council/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/cs/euro ... nclusions/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/cs/euro ... documents/
Evropská rada (EUCO)
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
(1) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 1853231300 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 3.1. 3:40:
As a detour to https://eupolicy.social/@Veza85UE/111688177027828831 @Veza85UE 2.1.2024:
> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... 1-03-2022/
I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.
More details:
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=242#p242
@elCelio@mastodon.uno @pmroman@toot.community
#MyEU #StatesEU
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(2) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 9996868994 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 14:23:
>> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... 1-03-2022/
> I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.
What is the 'legal status' of such 'declarations'?
For me with this 'declaration' with the words "informal meeting", the question is, what the legal status of this 'declaration' actually is. Somehow it seems to me, that it is neither part of 'legislating activity'(?) of the European Union, nor is it an "international treaty". It seems to me more like a "letter of intent" of the current rulers...
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(3) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111714961897416973 @HistoPol@mastodon.social 7.1. 14:43:
@EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
@EU_Commission@respublicae.eu
Good question:
#Legal status of #Declaration of #Versailles in 2022 regarding the #Russian attack on #Ukraine?
https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 9996868994
Cc @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr
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(4) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 1396004251 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 15:47:
I now have an confirmation of @elCelio :
> ... the same of the declarations of other intergovernmental meetings such as the G20: no legal value.
So I take the 'declarations' and 'informal meetings' as part of the 'political theatre' and of the 'political socializing'(?), which are important. And I am more interested in the 'formal political acts' such a legislating and money and... There is something called European Council conclusions https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/euro ... nclusions/
#MyEU #EUCO
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Re: 4
(5) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 3942118955 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 15:58:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/euro ... nclusions/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... mber-2023/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/6 ... 023-en.pdf
"15. The European Council decides to open accession negotiations with Ukraine and with the
Republic of Moldova.
The European Council invites the Council to adopt the respective negotiating frameworks
once the relevant steps set out in the respective Commission recommendations of
8 November 2023 are taken."
So, here we have "decides"(!) and more opaque "invites"...
#MyEU #EUCO
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(6) https://eupolicy.social/@jmaris/111715442839776495 @jmaris@eupolicy.social 7.1. 16:46:
@abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr They have none. The European Council is, however, supposed to provide the Commission with guidelines on policy direction.
Essentially it is equivalent to a Resolution of Parliament, but for member states
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(7) https://mastodon.uno/@elCelio/111715478280636414 @elCelio@mastodon.uno 7.1. 16:55:
@jmaris@eupolicy.social @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr if i'm not wrong, the guidelines for the Commission are the "conclusions" not the "declarations"
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(8) https://eupolicy.social/@jmaris/111715842174452869 @jmaris@eupolicy.social 7.1. 18:27:
@elCelio@mastodon.uno @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr officially, yes. But declarations still serve as de facto guidelines.
As a detour to https://eupolicy.social/@Veza85UE/111688177027828831 @Veza85UE 2.1.2024:
> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... 1-03-2022/
I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.
More details:
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=242#p242
@elCelio@mastodon.uno @pmroman@toot.community
#MyEU #StatesEU
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Re 1
(2) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 9996868994 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 14:23:
>> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... 1-03-2022/
> I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.
What is the 'legal status' of such 'declarations'?
For me with this 'declaration' with the words "informal meeting", the question is, what the legal status of this 'declaration' actually is. Somehow it seems to me, that it is neither part of 'legislating activity'(?) of the European Union, nor is it an "international treaty". It seems to me more like a "letter of intent" of the current rulers...
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Re 2
(3) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111714961897416973 @HistoPol@mastodon.social 7.1. 14:43:
@EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
@EU_Commission@respublicae.eu
Good question:
#Legal status of #Declaration of #Versailles in 2022 regarding the #Russian attack on #Ukraine?
https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 9996868994
Cc @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr
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Re 3
(4) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 1396004251 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 15:47:
I now have an confirmation of @elCelio :
> ... the same of the declarations of other intergovernmental meetings such as the G20: no legal value.
So I take the 'declarations' and 'informal meetings' as part of the 'political theatre' and of the 'political socializing'(?), which are important. And I am more interested in the 'formal political acts' such a legislating and money and... There is something called European Council conclusions https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/euro ... nclusions/
#MyEU #EUCO
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Re: 4
(5) https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionnist ... 3942118955 @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr 7.1. 15:58:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/euro ... nclusions/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... mber-2023/
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/6 ... 023-en.pdf
"15. The European Council decides to open accession negotiations with Ukraine and with the
Republic of Moldova.
The European Council invites the Council to adopt the respective negotiating frameworks
once the relevant steps set out in the respective Commission recommendations of
8 November 2023 are taken."
So, here we have "decides"(!) and more opaque "invites"...
#MyEU #EUCO
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Re 2
(6) https://eupolicy.social/@jmaris/111715442839776495 @jmaris@eupolicy.social 7.1. 16:46:
@abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr They have none. The European Council is, however, supposed to provide the Commission with guidelines on policy direction.
Essentially it is equivalent to a Resolution of Parliament, but for member states
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Re 6
(7) https://mastodon.uno/@elCelio/111715478280636414 @elCelio@mastodon.uno 7.1. 16:55:
@jmaris@eupolicy.social @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr if i'm not wrong, the guidelines for the Commission are the "conclusions" not the "declarations"
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Re 7
(8) https://eupolicy.social/@jmaris/111715842174452869 @jmaris@eupolicy.social 7.1. 18:27:
@elCelio@mastodon.uno @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr officially, yes. But declarations still serve as de facto guidelines.
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission
> Commission exercises its powers just by virtue of the treaties.
> ... it is the Commission that currently holds most of the executive power...
> Commission exercises its powers just by virtue of the treaties.
> ... it is the Commission that currently holds most of the executive power...
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/collection/eu ... force.html :
Treaties currently in force
The EU treaties are binding agreements between EU member countries. They set out EU objectives, rules for EU institutions, how decisions are made and the relationship between the EU and its member countries. Every action taken by the EU is founded on treaties.
Treaties are amended to make the EU more efficient and transparent, prepare for new member countries and introduce new areas of cooperation.
EUR-Lex contains the founding, amending and accession treaties, as well as some protocols.
Treaty on European Union (Consolidated version 2016)
Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (Consolidated version 2016)
Treaty establishing the European Atomic Energy Community (Consolidated version 2016)
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (2016)
Treaties currently in force
The EU treaties are binding agreements between EU member countries. They set out EU objectives, rules for EU institutions, how decisions are made and the relationship between the EU and its member countries. Every action taken by the EU is founded on treaties.
Treaties are amended to make the EU more efficient and transparent, prepare for new member countries and introduce new areas of cooperation.
EUR-Lex contains the founding, amending and accession treaties, as well as some protocols.
Treaty on European Union (Consolidated version 2016)
Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (Consolidated version 2016)
Treaty establishing the European Atomic Energy Community (Consolidated version 2016)
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (2016)
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... A12016E223 :
Document 12016E223
Consolidated version of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union
PART SIX - INSTITUTIONAL AND FINANCIAL PROVISIONS
TITLE I - INSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS
CHAPTER 1 - THE INSTITUTIONS
SECTION 1 - THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
Article 223 (ex Article 190(4) and (5) TEC)
OJ C 202, 7.6.2016, p. 149–149
Document 12016E223
Consolidated version of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union
PART SIX - INSTITUTIONAL AND FINANCIAL PROVISIONS
TITLE I - INSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS
CHAPTER 1 - THE INSTITUTIONS
SECTION 1 - THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
Article 223 (ex Article 190(4) and (5) TEC)
OJ C 202, 7.6.2016, p. 149–149
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
K Evropské radě (EUCO) máme toto stejnojmenné téma-vlákno a teg #tg860818779. Předchozí vlákno "Rada vlád členských států Evropské unie" od příspěvku https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=227#p227 po příspěvek https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=270#p270 by už nemělo narůstat, ale jsou v něm věci, ke kterým se chci vrátit. Pak je k Evropské radě (EUCO) ještě ve tématu-vláknu "Evropská unie - dát se dohromady a být vnitřně funkčnější" od příspěvku https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=897#p897 teď po příspěvek https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=979#p979 - ten obsahuje citace mastodoních tútú Veza85UE , na které jsem zatím nenavázal a na které navázat chci.
#tg860818779
#tg860818779
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
Několi nadhození za účelem, aby byla popřena, upřesněna, rozpracována nebo popřena:
1. Něco už jsem o Evropské radě (EUCO) a o tom, proč ji Veza85UE nemá rád, pochopil.
2. Pojmenování i formální ukotvení v zakládacích smlouvách je neumětelské.
3. Unie je hybrid "nadstátní organizace států" (jako třeba Spojené národy) a "státu" (jako třeba Indie).
4. Evropská rada (EUCO) je orgánem členských zemí. Je Valným shromaždění Unie. Vrcholní představitelé členských zemí nejednají za sebe, jednají za své země. Jsou zástupci. Alespoň formálně to tak je. Tím se liší jejich postavení od poslanců a komisařů, kteří mají osobní pověření - jednají za sebe. Alespoň formálně to tak je.
5. Konsensus dvaceti sedmi "vládců" měl velkou moc, i když nebyl formalizován, měl by ji, i kdyby nebyl formalizován, a mnoho z moci, kterou má, běží nikoliv "fomálními kanály" podle zakládacích smluv, nýbrž kanály "neformálnimi".
#tg860818779
1. Něco už jsem o Evropské radě (EUCO) a o tom, proč ji Veza85UE nemá rád, pochopil.
2. Pojmenování i formální ukotvení v zakládacích smlouvách je neumětelské.
3. Unie je hybrid "nadstátní organizace států" (jako třeba Spojené národy) a "státu" (jako třeba Indie).
4. Evropská rada (EUCO) je orgánem členských zemí. Je Valným shromaždění Unie. Vrcholní představitelé členských zemí nejednají za sebe, jednají za své země. Jsou zástupci. Alespoň formálně to tak je. Tím se liší jejich postavení od poslanců a komisařů, kteří mají osobní pověření - jednají za sebe. Alespoň formálně to tak je.
5. Konsensus dvaceti sedmi "vládců" měl velkou moc, i když nebyl formalizován, měl by ji, i kdyby nebyl formalizován, a mnoho z moci, kterou má, běží nikoliv "fomálními kanály" podle zakládacích smluv, nýbrž kanály "neformálnimi".
#tg860818779
Re: Evropská rada (EUCO)
Zejména k bodu pět tu je ještě zjištění, jak probíhá stanovení von der Leyen:
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=690#p690 : https://mastodonczech.cz/@FilipNerad/112395020984998613
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=725#p725
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=690#p690 : https://mastodonczech.cz/@FilipNerad/112395020984998613
https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=725#p725
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